An Interview With ‘Bring It On’ Director Peyton Reed

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An Interview With ‘Bring It On’ Director Peyton Reed

Tied to the 20th anniversary of Carry It On, we hereby dub the subsequent 5 days Teen Film Week. Dig up your varsity jacket, pull as much as your cafeteria desk, and re-live your adolescence as we have a good time the perfect coming-of-age motion pictures ever made.


The state of the cheerocracy was not at all times so robust.

Twenty years in the past, Carry It On opened to middling critiques and simply respectable late-summer field workplace numbers, the most recent in a seemingly limitless string of low-to-mid-budget, PG-13 highschool comedies. (A 12 months later, the parody Not One other Teen Film sighed glibly on the development.) Carry It On appeared simply dismissible as factory-made fluff, no totally different than the same old foray into lunchroom caste methods, humiliation comedy, and slightly gentle romance. However months later, Carry It On was a DVD phenomenon. Just a few years later, it was spun off into the identical direct-to-video cottage trade that was constructed round American Pie, which had been a a lot greater hit for Common the 12 months earlier than. (The one distinction: Carry It On’s 5 sequels didn’t have a Eugene Levy quietly cashing checks.) Now it looks like solely a matter of time till cults collide and the 2011 musical model of Carry It On: The Musical, with music and lyrics cowritten by Lin-Manuel Miranda, will get a Broadway revival.

So what modified? It’s most likely so simple as audiences assuming the worst of a teen comedy launched within the canine days of August and slowly determining they have been unsuitable. Carry It On wasn’t a radical break from end-of-the-century highschool comedies, nevertheless it was merely higher than them in each respect: shiny, trendy, impeccably solid, and intensely humorous, with the right combination of earnestness and irreverence in its method to the world of aggressive cheerleading. Working from an unique script by Jessica Bendinger, first-time director Peyton Reed wrings all of the laughs he can out of this mix of gymnastics, dance, and demented pageantry, however respects it as a sport of excessive stakes and true athleticism. The movie additionally pivots on themes of cultural appropriation that not solely appear surprising in a cheerleader comedy, however stay urgent and pertinent 20 years later. Conversations about choreography match proper alongside conversations about white privilege.

Reed additionally lucked into casting Kirsten Dunst as Torrance Shipman, the brand new squad chief for the Toros of Rancho Carne Excessive College, together with a number of different nice actors in secondary spots: Importing a lot of the punk irreverence she dropped at Religion on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Eliza Dushku contrasts completely with the squeaky-clean Torrance as Missy Pantone, a switch scholar who helps the Toros chase their sixth straight nationwide title; Jesse Bradford had starred in Steven Soderbergh’s Despair-era drama King of the Hill as a baby, and he’s charmingly low-key as Missy’s brother and Torrance’s love curiosity; and Gabrielle Union is a revelation as Isis, chief of the Clovers of East Compton Excessive College, whose routines have been lifted by the Toros for years.

Carry It On has proved far stickier than anybody would have imagined 20 years in the past. As a sport, cheerleading itself has grown out of a subculture and into the mainstream, and when the Netflix’s Cheer and USA Community’s cheerleader noir Dare Me premiered inside a few weeks of one another final winter, there have been traces of Carry It On in each of them—the extreme friendships, the intrasquad rivalries, the massively elevated stakes of a seemingly frivolous pursuit. For his half, Reed parlayed the success of Carry It On into the retro type of 2003’s Down With Love, after which the hit comedies The Break-Up and Sure Man; extra not too long ago he’s claimed a chunk of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because the director of Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp. In quarantine, placing the ultimate touches on a second-season episode of The Mandalorian, he took time to replicate on the making of Carry It On, the present state of studio comedies, and why Sparky Polastri is a major candidate for a derivative collection.

You got here to Carry It On with a fairly lengthy résumé of directing music movies and TV comedies, however this was your first characteristic movie. How have been you capable of make the leap to doing it?

I used to be in New York doing the primary three episodes of Season 2 of UCB and earlier than I left, I received this script from my agent. He stated, “Listen, I’m going to send you a script. It is a high school comedy, and I know you’re into high school comedies.” And I used to be like, “Oh, what’s it called?” He stated, “It’s Cheer Fever.” And I stated, “Well, what is Cheer Fever?” He stated, “It’s actually … well, it’s a competitive cheerleading comedy.”

[Sighs.] “OK, yeah. Send it.” I admittedly was pondering it was one thing I might learn a number of pages of and wouldn’t be into it. However I learn it, and within the first couple of pages, Jessica Bendinger’s script had that opening cheer, which was nearly verbatim to what ended up being within the film. And I believed it was actually sensible from the start, as a result of it grabbed you, and it confronted the viewers’s preconceived notions about cheerleaders proper up entrance, and it was actually humorous, and likewise felt like, “Wow, this is really visual. This could be like a mini Busby Berkeley musical number to open the movie.”

So I received actually excited on these first couple of pages and stored studying, after which discovered the specificity of her writing actually thrilling. It had its personal type of vernacular, nevertheless it actually examined this subculture that I knew nothing about and it made a case for aggressive cheerleading as a sport, with these actually memorable characters.

You then received additional into the script, and it’s like, “Oh, holy shit, they’re dealing with themes of cultural appropriation and race and gender and all this stuff.” It had some critical themes occurring beneath the frothy trappings of a cheerleader film. It felt like a complete totally different approach right into a highschool film.

What have been among the teen motion pictures that have been most pertinent while you have been fascinated by approaches to this story?

It was actually a variety. American Graffiti meant quite a bit to me rising up. Later, Say Something… was an enormous one. I beloved that. I like stuff in among the John Hughes motion pictures—this was a special tone, nevertheless it needed to type of incorporate a few of these issues. However I believe the commonality of those that I like is how they create particular and attention-grabbing characters and cope with the politics and the standing system of highschool. Jessica’s unique draft was nearly just like the Godfather saga. She was analyzing the connection between cheerleaders and the dance squad. There was stuff we ended up having to chop out of the script, as a result of it was simply too unwieldy. However she had created this complete ecosystem in her draft and clearly had completed the analysis.

Carry It On, to me, was about positivity greater than something. I needed it to be a really hopeful film. The cultural appropriation factor was actually attention-grabbing to me, as a result of your protagonist, Kirsten’s character Torrance, is a product of white privilege. The Toros are this well-moneyed, five-time-national-championship-winning cheerleading squad, and she or he learns that it’s all constructed on theft. Her first intuition is like, “Let’s hire somebody and maybe cheat our way back into it.” Then she decides that she has to make it proper, and finally ends up making errors in that. That subplot was grounded in actuality, nevertheless it was additionally very constructive.

The theme about white folks co-opting Black tradition is without doubt one of the features of Carry It On that makes it distinctive amongst teen motion pictures. You stated a number of occasions on the director’s commentary that you simply didn’t need it to be preachy, so how did you method that?

If you happen to’re making a film that individuals anticipate to be simply enjoyable and frothy, and in case you’re going to wade into these extra critical themes, they’ll’t really feel like they’re popping out of left subject. You need to feed them into the factor, and that was one of many greatest challenges of the film—how to do this in a approach that felt actual.

I needed to create characters that didn’t look like mouthpieces for a sure standpoint. One of many nice issues about Jessica’s unique script is that it Trojan-horses these themes in there. To me, it was simply making an attempt to make all of the moments as actual as attainable, within the writing and definitely within the performances; to elicit all of the actors’ factors of view about it. Gabrielle Union was invaluable in creating the character of Isis. We talked quite a bit about problems with race and what we did and didn’t need to do between Torrance and Isis.

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A scene that stands out is the one the place Isis tears up the examine. So many movies concerning the relationship between white folks and Black folks emphasize white charity or white participation within the development of Black characters. This appeared like a fairly acutely aware rejection of that concept.

We by no means needed to got down to make one thing that even remotely approached being a white savior film, as a result of that’s not what the film was about. We preferred the concept of Kirsten’s character having a real want to make it proper and to try to stage the enjoying subject. And as a baby of privilege, her first intuition is to go to her dad and see if the corporate will provide you with the cash and sponsor the opposite group. In her thoughts, that’s type of her privileged white lady response like, “Oh, I’m going to solve this thing.”

Isis doesn’t need charity. [The Clovers] need to get there their very own approach on their very own deserves and never be beholden to anyone else. That felt actual to us. This can be a character studying from one other character and taking her first step exterior of her worldview and realizing that she’s complicit on this type of institutionalized racism, and that the Toros are direct beneficiaries of cultural theft. And what does that imply? How do you make it proper? Lastly touchdown on this concept that they’ll’t be the perfect except they’ve gone up towards the perfect, and the Clovers are the perfect.

How a lot analysis into the world of aggressive cheerleading did you do, and how much impression did which have on the film?

Jessica Bendinger was the one who did the lion’s share of the analysis and put it into the script. However I went down and frolicked at these cheerleading competitions and on the cheerleading camps. And San Diego, the place we shot the film, is a large hub of this cheerleading exercise. As we put our actors by way of this cheerleading camp, I needed to guarantee that we have been as correct as attainable, as a result of for me it wasn’t like making a baseball or basketball film, the place I basically knew the foundations of the sport. There have been all these specifics about how highschool cheerleading guidelines are totally different than collegiate, all of these items. There are nonetheless some errors within the film, nevertheless it was all about capturing the spirit of it. I did numerous analysis when it comes to the scene, the vibe. I actually needed to immerse myself in that subculture—all of the constructive issues about it and the detrimental issues about it—and try to get as broad a view of it as attainable.

One element that made it into the film is that these large trash cans have been arrange backstage, anticipating the understanding that some ladies could be vomiting earlier than the present.

Oh yeah. It’s bizarre. Cheerleading competitions mix that fierce aggressive spirit of every other sport, but in addition the glamour of a magnificence pageant. And like every of these items, they observe and so they observe, they rehearse and so they rehearse, after which all of it comes down to 1 key efficiency. It’s simply so fraught with pressure. It’s superb in that approach. You may really feel that vitality.

Was there a casting course of for Torrance? Was it at all times going to be Kirsten Dunst?

It wasn’t at all times going to be Kirsten. Earlier than my involvement with the film, [producers] had truly gone out to Kirsten, and Kirsten had handed on the film. So once I first received again to L.A., one of many first issues in prep was to satisfy with Joseph Middleton, our casting director, who had arrange a lunch with me and Marley Shelton. I had lunch with Marley and I believed, “Oh, wow, she could be a really good Torrance.” However I keep in mind Joseph Middleton saying, “OK, you should know Marley is up for another movie, so she might not be available.” After which he says, “And you should also know it’s another cheerleader movie.”

[Laughs.] My first response was like, “Holy shit, there’s another cheerleader movie? What the fuck?” And it turned out it was this factor on the time that was known as Sugar & Spice & Semi-automatics. It later grew to become Sugar & Spice, about bank-robbing cheerleaders, which may be very totally different than Carry It On. However on the time, you’re simply pondering like, “How can there be two cheerleader movies in the marketplace?!”

Marley selected the bank-robbing cheerleader film, so then my first intuition was to return to Kirsten. Jessica and I had completed extra work on the script, and I needed to have the ability to ship it to her and discuss her by way of what we needed to do with the film. At that time, she was within the Czech Republic doing one other film. However Kirsten and I received on the cellphone and talked about it, and I answered all her questions and stuff, and she or he ended up signing on to the film, which was improbable, since you knew from a really younger age that Kirsten was such a gifted and soulful actor—like, she actually went deep and could be such an awesome anchor for this film. In order that was a thrill.

We’re additionally gonna have to speak about Sparky Polastri.

That character was at all times in Jessica’s script, with “spirit fingers” and all that. And having simply come off UCB, I had been simply blown away by Ian Roberts’s improv abilities, so he was solid. Jessica and I talked quite a bit about that character, as a result of within the preliminary drafts, he was simply type of this kitschy sort of cheerleading choreographer who was peddling these unhealthy routines. And Ian introduced this nice anger to the character. I like the concept of a man who thinks he’s Bob Fosse, however he’s actually this type of pill-popping criminal.

Jessica and I’ve talked about within the streaming age, like, “Wouldn’t it be amazing to get Ian to come back and play the Sparky Polastri role, but design like a Better Call Saul series, where he’s involved in the seedy underworld as some kind of weird, failed choreographer, with a Rockford Files kind of vibe?” I preferred placing Ian’s vitality up towards these younger highschool cheerleaders—that at all times appeared to have comedic potential to me. And once more, if you already know Ian or know his work, he simply throws himself into it. In order that was one thing the place he was at all times there within the script, however when Ian got here in, we inspired Ian to throw as a lot as he may into that character.

He’s sort of just like the monorail salesman in that Simpsons episode, going from city to city, promoting the identical damaged routine.

Yeah. It’s going to be a part of the Carry It On Shared Universe. It’s going to go on and simply have all these totally different tendrils in several genres.

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Carry It On was a reasonably low-budget studio comedy, which simply doesn’t actually exist anymore. How does a movie like Carry It On get made immediately, and the place may it get made?

I don’t suppose Carry It On would get made at a studio. They don’t have the curiosity or the power to make and help motion pictures of that price range. As a result of they spend a lot on prints and promoting and all that, that it doesn’t make it value it. It’s very uncommon to see that. It’s been 20 years, and it feels sort of quaint to me and nearly like a minor miracle that we received to make that film. As a result of I believe if that film have been made immediately, it could be a streaming factor—possibly for a similar budgetary vary, however it could positively be a streaming factor.

I don’t need to look again on it by way of some type of romantic lens, however I did like the concept that I received the chance to do a low-budget film at a studio. And it felt like on the time, they sort of needed to nurture younger expertise. Within the studio setting now, that’s more and more uncommon. These alternatives are shifting to streaming, as a result of I do know numerous younger filmmakers who’ve gotten a shot at Netflix or Amazon or one thing, whether or not they go from TV to do options, or coming in and doing low-budget options. I additionally suppose it’s getting extra various, which is nice.

However wasn’t it Mel Brooks who talked about how a comedy wants an viewers? That’s one thing lacking from this equation, at the least when it comes to a bunch of individuals gathering in the identical area to observe and chuckle collectively.

Selfishly, as a filmmaker, there’s no larger factor than to be in an viewers, full of folks, and have them chuckle at one thing in your film. It’s the perfect, and also you don’t get that in streaming, clearly. I’d wish to suppose, with out sounding out of contact, that there’s at all times going to be a spot in popular culture for the communal moviegoing expertise and never simply large blockbuster stuff.

However you could possibly see comedies migrating to streaming, even earlier than the pandemic. With studios, except you could have a huge identify connected to it, it’s tougher for them to justify making these motion pictures. So streaming, in some methods, feels prefer it’s been a savior to comedy. I wish to suppose that there’s going to be some enterprise mannequin that works for the theatrical distribution of medium- and smaller-budget comedies, nevertheless it’s a thriller.

Wanting again at critiques of Carry It On on the time, I used to be stunned to find they weren’t terribly sort. How’d you’re taking that on the time—and the way do you’re feeling concerning the film now?

I keep in mind initially, [Roger] Ebert’s was not a glowing assessment. After which years later, he went again and reassessed it, and ended up calling it “the Citizen Kane of cheerleader movies,” which was at all times hilarious to me. Jessica and I’ve talked about this through the years, how significantly male viewers members would come as much as me and say they preferred the film, however would at all times type of qualify it at the start by saying, “Hey, I know that movie is not for me.” Or, “Listen, I had no intention of going to see a cheerleader movie. But, hey, man, I really dug it.” There’s at all times that qualifier at the start. Nevertheless it was at all times our intention to make one thing that appealed to guys and ladies.

Through the years, the extra serious-minded underbelly of the film has aged effectively. But additionally, numerous the films I really like are simply engineered to be repeat-viewing motion pictures. I at all times like one thing like Again to the Future, which I can simply watch advert nauseum on TV when it comes on. I needed the film to have that narrative thrust. Hopefully, it’s kinetic and thrilling, and it will probably stand up to the scrutiny of repeat viewing.

I’m guessing you’ve watched the documentary collection Cheer?

Yeah. That documentary has this creepy sense of dread continually. You marvel, “How hard are they going to push these kids?” I believe there was a personality who had possibly like three or 4 concussions. And at a sure level, you’re similar to, “What are you doing?!” It’s nuts. I used to be watching that with my spouse and seeing these children who had a number of concussions, and pondering “Well, this is not worth it.” After which I believed, “Oh, holy shit. Am I even remotely responsible for this in some way?”

That’s true. The movie is cited fairly a bit as a touchstone for a era of cheerleaders.

Yeah. I don’t know if Sylvester Stallone felt that approach about boxing.

This interview has been edited and condensed for readability.

Scott Tobias is a contract movie and tv author from Chicago. His work has appeared in The New York Occasions, The Washington Put up, NPR, Vulture, Selection, and different publications.

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